Why are the Jumbo-jets disappearing?

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Hey, Were is "The Co-Pilot" today?

10:09 that plane is gonna stall. monkaS

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What airline do you fly for?

I few upstairs on a 747 on Lufthansa last week. Frankfurt to Denver. It was wonderful.

The problem isn't really the capacity of the aircraft, it is the economy of the airframe and engines. The Boeing 777-9 will have a capacity of 414 in a typical airline configuration, compared to 410 for a 747-8I. But then that isn't selling wonderfully either. The huge difference is in the economy of the package. Engines take energy to run, but they produce thrust which is based on transfer of momentum. To get the same thrust out of a half size engine you need to throw the air twice as fast. It takes energy to throw the air. The energy is E=1/2 mv^2. So if m is m/2 you need need 2v to get the same momentum. mv = (m/2)2v. But if you have 2v then the energy is 1/2 (m/2) (2v)^2 = m v^2 instead of 1/2mv^2. It doesn't quite work out that well in practice, but that's why the two 105,000 pound thrust engines on the 777 are way more efficient than the four 66,500 pound thrust engines on the 747-8. 987,000 for the 747-8 and 775,000 for the 777-9! The A350 and B787 are both very efficient too. The A380 needs new engines to come close to competing on passenger miles per gallon. Even small carbon twins are fantastic compared to an old 747. The A220 knocks almost anything else out of the park, 737s only come close in rare routes, most are not in the same league. Sad for Canada and Bombardier and especially for Boeing that the aircraft went to Airbus.

You can't mention the 25 billion dollar (not Euro, found the source) cost of the A380 without mentioning the $32 billion cost of the Boeing 787 program, which Boeing will also never recoup. Both of those were problem programs. The A350 program went as designed and has only now been running for 8 years at a cost of €11 billion. The latest 777 program is going well and will produce an aircraft that seats 4 more than the 747-8, 414 compared to 410 in real world configurations. The difference in economy achieved by two large engines instead of four smaller (still massive) engines is impossible to ignore too. The 777-9 doesn't even fit on a standard aircraft stand without folding its wing tips, it is bigger in span than the A380.

Can't wait till I get a flight on the A380 and hopefully it will still be around then.

There’s not really a need for a complicated analysis. It’s pretty simple twin engine aircraft are more efficient And they now have the range to serve pretty much any destination it’s really that simple

This video is why I visit Mentour. Good explanations, a bit of history, & business logic. Thank you!

Middle seats in airliners should also be banned. They are inhumane

Why they aren't used any longer?!?!? Because the west is cucked and they refuse to ban moslems from planes. The jumbo jets are juicy terrorist targets. Plain and simple.

It makes me sick. and it's nothing I can do about it . If rule the world they would not be going nowhere

Great analysis and perspective.

I flew an A380 from JFK/ New York to Frankfurt to Singapore, in November, it was full. What a great aircraft. We flew Premium Economy, nice seats, far better than economy, and of course Singapore Air is a great company too. I have flown across the pacific in both the 747 and the 777, I like the idea of having 4 engines while crossing the Pacific, it just seems safer, and I think it used to be a rule you had to have 4 engines, not sure. I'm an American and I want to support Boeing, but I really enjoy riding in Airbus aircraft they have just a little more room for the passenger.

I flew on a b777 from perth to Dubai and I was not a fan. To cramped especially for a 10 hour flight.

Which uses more fuel big or small plane

I'd also say that because big planes are so expensive it's a one off purchase. Not many routes need it- plus not as many airports can take them so they're redundant on some routes- so they're not used much whereas replacing a 737 makes more sense. Qantas uses the big planes a lot on trans-pacific routes but there is big demand and the airports are all big

One thing worth mentioning is that the Boeing 747 was originally designed to be a military cargo plane, not an airliner. The US Air Force was looking for a plane that will eventually replace the C-141. They liked the 747's design more but Lockheed's plane, the C-5 Galaxy, was cheaper (on paper) and so the Air Force ended picking Lockheed's design. The C-5 ended up over running the estimated cost by light years. After Boeing lost the military contract is when Pan Am requested some 747's.

There are quite a few comments and I have not read them all, so if this was already mentioned, I apologize.
When the Boeing 747 was being developed, it was actually in competition for a US Air Force contract for a large freight/troop carrier. The contract was won by Lockheed's C-5A. But in hindsight, Boeing was the real winner by making their entry a commercial airliner. Boeing used to say they never made a profit on the 747 line due to its expensive development costs. I don't know if that is true or not.

Gosh, I need to hurry up! I have an unfulfilled childhood dream of flying at a double-deck plane!

Cool video, but it's "hub and spoke," not "bespoke hub."

My favorites: Boeing 747 and 777

honestly i dont mind paying more just dont treat economy like cattle

long haul give me an A380 any day. I always hate the triple 7 -noisy old entertainment old toilets bad ventilation get rid of them on long hauls.

flew on the Boeing 787 a couple times. Technologically advanced with the swept curving wings, the composite body that's able to endure higher cabin pressure, the beautiful interior that holds 3-5-3 columns, the quietness from the engines, and the button-activated dimming windows. Nicest plane I've been on

Just guessing... and we'll see if I'm right. The same reason we don't have steam locomotives
1. Fuel
2. Maintenance (2 extra engines, and much larger more robust parts)
3. Decreased ridership
4. Loosening of regulations of intercontinental travel engine number requirements
Edit: didn't take into account of how the industry has changed the air routes. Wasn't too far off.

Small planes are so fucking uncomfortable.

But more small flights sounds more inefficient, more fuel consumed, more mileage added onto the planes.

plane with no more than 300 passengers look fine and comfy so expect 1 in 16777216 chance of a plane go haywire in crash or error lol.

We still have them flying out of Bush International in Houston idk if is cargo or passanger
We still have an A 380 operated by lufansa

Excellent! Get a really good job.

I heard the 747 was always referred to as the Mother and every pilot loved to fly her because of her smooth ride and ease at flying her.

What happened with boeing’s tests of using 2 9x engines on the 747?

What about Boeing 777-300?

This video makes me depressed. The 787 is cool but not like a 747.

I hope they won't disappear... Especially the Airbus A380, my favourite modern Aircraft. Even though my absolutely favourite airplane is the Douglas DC-7

Airbus never will recoup the A380 dev costs ? I doubt so. While clearly not a huge success they still sold 230 of them. At 400+ millions a piece. That's more than 100 billions. Even if they obviously don't make 100% profit on each plane I doubt they didn't at least recoup with the 101 still to be delivered.

This does not fully explain why Jumbos 'fail' (and perhaps they don't; just the present growth is concentrated on smaller aircraft). I live just 20 km from a small airport, but hardly ever use it because the choice of destinations is not great. Even if the hub and spoke system isn't very efficient, it does make sense to use large aircraft between large cities/airports.

Hey Capitan , I like your videos. where are you from? Which airline are you working for currently ?

How long you are going to fly b737?

Its just that Americans are so much brighter than the donkey Europeans. Sorry!

I think it's all about money making on these days not about safety of people. that's why jumb jets are disappearing.

Remember the Hudson

What happens on a twin engine when one packs up, a 747 can land and take off on one for the dyslexic(1) engine can a twin do it (NO)

I’m always impressed by how some non-native speakers of English can be so fluent and articulate with such crisp diction compared to the average native speaker. Very clear explanation! Thank you.

also worth noting is that after 2001, security went crazy. no longer transferring to a new plane being a quick affair. another kick in the balls for the hub & spoke model.

What a lessons,,,,, thanks captain..

You make great videos. Thank you!

747's flight deck on top level made for a clean main floor, ideal for freighters. A380 should have had a second floor flight deck.

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Amazing that Boeing predicted the shift more than 20 years ago

But Elon Musk of Tesla & Space X, is thinking to have a passenger rocket That travels globally. The 20 hour flight with a Jumbo Jet will just take 45 mins, to an hour flight with Elon Musk Rocket..
Elon Musk is somewhat saying that someday all transport, by land sea and air will become powered by electric except rockets...

This is exactly what I wanted to know.
Thank you very much !

Sometimes I think Emirates doesn't really care about banking money as long as they can stay afloat and if they fall behind by a few million each quarter, no bigge, they do into the pocket of it's never ending funds from it's own royalty family to keep it going. To me I think it's about pride and the fact that they can pay for the planes, and fuel is essentially free or cheap for them. The family own the oil and they also own the plants to refine and convert it to jet fuel.

The only ones who are presently flying the 747s are the freighter variants operated by the cargo carriers.🚩

I think that by 10 years from now as the aviation population will grow the 747 and 380 will be useful for various routes including NYC to LAX

Hey Mentour, what do you think of STOL and VTOL civil aircraft, and their chances of succeeding as, say, regional transports? Reducing field lengths and thus land use at smaller airports is a good thing but may or may not be cost-effective. What about aerial refueling of passenger jets to extend their ranges and reduce takeoff weights?

as you stated we are still building the 747 but mostly only for cargo, I don't believe the A380 made a cargo version

Where is the dog.???

I believe there is one key factor you forgot to mention, which might actually save the jumbos. PILOT SHORTAGE!!! If what they say in the news media is true about the shortage of pilots, airlines will have no other choice but to buy big planes so they can keep up with transportation demands with fewer pilots.

IS IT BECAUSE THEY JUST AIN'T 'SUPER' ENOUGH ?

Really ! , nothing about internet or spacex ? I am glad for less pollution too ! It's nice to be informed though !

What happens to the Dubai air routes when the (New) Istanbul International Airport operates at a projected annual capacity of over 200,000,000 passengers a year?

Thank you so mutch, I learned a lot today. Could Airbus solve its problems designing a civil freighter-version of A380?

I think, they should consider converting the A380 to partial freight aircraft. The lower half freight and pax above. The calculation might work out. I hope someone with experience comments here on it‘s feasibility. Oops, I saw Petter addressing that a bit later in the video :-).

interesting but too long

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I believe they're phasing the 747's out because they're too old now. That is why the commuter jet props are gone. Those were over 50 years old.

I disagree with removing B-747 and A-380 from the service. For trans-atlantic or trans-pacific flights those smaller airplanes are horrible. We're going backwards in comfort, instead of advancing forward. Everything is downsizing, cost-reducing and shrinking in the bloody 21st century. Crisis after crisis, saving on everything, all products are getting cheap, fragile, unreliable, with planned obsolescence built-in.

At around 14:30 one can see an absolutely amazing landing of a fly on top of your head :)
No human pilot can fly like a fly :)

We have the Technology for a NEW Supersonic Airliner , fewer people but Time is Of the Essence. Lockheed Martin has the TR-3B Anti Gravity craft . True .

As we are richer we do not like been treated as sardines. Cheaper flights are attractive in short haul but Quality, need less seats in 747/A380 just like the old sea planes. Lack of thought by the airlines.

Where is your dog? I miss the dog!

I remember. When the first 747 rolled out it was sad when they stopped production.

The Airbus A380 is a god among planes. Shits on all Boeing models. It is still being ordered, contrary to the haters.

I wonder if you could answer some/one/any questions for me? How much fuel is stored in the wings of a 747 on say a 6 hr flight Vancouver to Honolulu? How much weight is that fuel? Is the Emirate Airbus operating on some new compressed air turbine technology? How come the flight from Vancouver to Hawaii has not shortened in time in over 50 years? What kind of specific adjustments for take off/landing and runway direction do pilots make with respect to the curvature and rotation of the Earth? I have taken VFR ground school. The chemical oxygen generators for the passengers are guaranteed to last 15-20 mins does that depend on how many people you are sharing with, where you are sitting, or what type of plane it is? Given the size of the cannister being roughly 4x8" (on a DC 10), in your opinion is it feasible by weight and volume that the ISS could have a chemical oxygen generator able to sustain each astronaut for 24hours? In otherwards 4x8" x48 conservatively if lasted for 30 mins. Also, if flying over mountains like in BC Canada, which routes would a pilot not be able to rapidly descend to 10,000 ft because the mountain height would prevent this? I lived near the Vancouver airport most of my life 20 years ago the planes started getting a lot quieter, yet no improvement in time from place to place why and why? Would a pilot/captain ever demand that passengers keep their window visor down, and if so is that normal and under what circumstances. Have you ever seen a UFO and did you report it? Have you listened to any of the pilots on the Disclosure Project? Are pilots ridiculed for seeing abherrant objects?? Have you ever seen strange fluid installed near the septic of a plane, particularly if you were unscheduled to work ie called in, and coming out over the wings? What's the fastest deepest descent you've ever made? Once in a lightening storm 10,000 feet over a minute, pilot didn't give us too much warning but we were being thrown around like a little 2 person Cessna, felt like a long freefall skiing on double black not so much like an elevator. If you had the opportunity would you try one of those automated squirrel suits under power? Maybe you would have to be fearless and antisocial for that, what do you think? These are the things that keep me up at night, although I do wonder as Neil DGT where have all the stars gone and maybe our starting point wasn't our starting point. The number one thing I look for when booking a flight is the shortest haul. I will literally spend days researching all the possible combinations and flex my dates and my price. Honestly, can't you make those tin cans go any faster? 😄 Finally, what do you know about the mechanism of Elon's Raptor engines, all 16 of them? I'm happy to be referred to other channels. Oh, what do you know about vector symbology and why so many international space agencies over 22, plus Apollo missions used it?

Wish you had shortened this vid.

What happens to all of those jumbo jet engines that have exceeded their flying hours limit ?
Can they be sold as ground based power units for boat engines and as generator engines ?
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Dude you need to teach us how to fly and operate the 747 this video was a waste of my time

NIce and interesting video.

Why has ANA ordered 3 A380s? How are they going to manage to fill the seats?

Well they fail for me personally because I am broke as hell in this economy and am certainly not taking any long vacation flights, sure I go around the states to see family from time to time but a 737 works just fine for that.

I know, the airbus A380 was built in hopes that George Soros will be able to carry in illegal immigrants more easily XD I'm way ahead of you.

pretty one sided in the boeing airbus rivalry. (oh god, boeing is so so smart, and beautiful and smells so nice, lol…)

large capacity airplanes that crash have such a high loss of life the public feels uneasy in them...freighters have a role for the future for sure

I added brazilian portuguese subtitles to this video in august, but until now it´s not available in this video.
My efforts to add subtitles here seems to have been in vain.
:(

Physics is not fun its fucking made difficult

00:35 thought it was a familiar song coming on lol

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Yeah, Emirates owns 50 A380, and 90 more on order....Not bad.....

I lament the passing of the 747. I was cabin crew on the 747 for BA back in the 70s and have great affection for it. I have to say that working on a full aircraft was a bit like going into battle. Once the fancy uniform was changed on board to the white jacket (for in-flight service), it was non stop graft for many hours. Long delays added to sector time made some flights absolutely exhausting. Going 'out of hours' didn't happen that often (add proposed delay time to sector time plus a little time at the other end and if it exceeded 14 hours a change of crew would happen). I liked the stability of the big jets, which were far less susceptible to the effects of turbulence (perceived effect). When I'd board smaller aircraft, especially twin props (holiday) it felt like flying in a cardboard box.
I find the move to smaller aircraft a little worrying with respect to our already overcrowded skies. More flights, more jets ... is the ATC system getting any more reliable?

He only had about two minutes of material there: jumbos are good for a hub&spoke system.

Wait until they come out with the D590xw. It’ll hold 18,000 people with an internal stadium and 8 story hotel. Did I mention the wave action pool, too?

Stopped watching when you started prostitution

Where's the dog? lol :D

Logically the next step is to build more An124s and make them airliners.

Thank you so much... Very interesting topic .. very informative 😃😃😃

11:00 Unelected Airbus stole all your tax money for the Airbus many failures. Airbus is lying about the unsafe sidestick controls to avoid manslaught charges. Only Fly Clean Green safe Boeing 787 check that you are flying on a 787 or choose another airline that is using a 787 on the route you want to fly.