Why are the Jumbo-jets disappearing?

new airplanes have no place for my legs...i really hate to fly from Madrid to Mexico City where my daughter lives...it´s horrible in Air France A-380...and the same in Iberia A-340s....toilettes smells nasty after 3 hours ...its very very disgusting !!!...I remember in the 70s that flying was a very nice experience...what a really good time spend in Braniff...or in Varig....now they transport you like chickens...awfull!!! and expensive !!!!

Look like Emirates lost that bet ... A380 now officially discontinued. I guess as a company with no legitimate profit motive they can afford to place bad bets, sort of like Airbus.

Hello Captain Mentour... And may I add 'sir' to that... Since this video is about the decline of the 747 and the now (since production ceased after Emirates cancelled orders) of the A-380, I thought I'd relate a anecdote concerning your beloved 737. It is hoped that the irony of it will bring a smile to your face.
Many years ago I visited the Museum of Flight in Seattle. Like any museum, it has a gift/book shop. While browsing through the book section, I ran across one that was about the development of the 747. I kick myself to this day for not buying it. While leafing through it, my eyes came to rest on a passage in it, a bit of a 'sidebar', about the 737. The gist of which was that in the beginning, from a human resource standpoint, the 737 was, within Boeing, considered the project you were assigned to for the purpose of getting you out of the way. If you were, for example, an engineer who was considered a 'bad apple', you got 'stuck' working on the 737. It seems that Boeing really didn't see much of a future in this little sawed off airplane with a fuselage that looked like a cigar and wings that looked like they were withering away.
And now over 50 years later.... Oh the irony. The 'Baby Boeing' has outlasted the 707, 727 and 757. And still going strong. The Best Revenge is doing well. And the 737 has certainly done well. I wonder if any of those 'Black Sheep' engineers ever got the credit... and the bucks... they deserved?

I still have one question - why airforce one prefers b747 as compare to a380?

Good job mate!!

I personally like the 787 Dreamliner :) and they are selling like Ford F-150 trucks(Great guess on Boeing part).Were the A380 is being fazed out.

Very informative video, thanks!

The answer to all the questions as to why average speeds have dropped, on average size wide bodies feeding, with average paid flight staff, to average size regional airports is averages. I've noticed too that low cost Asian airlines that hub through regional airports, Guangzhou for example are happy to let you stay a few days at no extra cost which is bueno.
P.S, "The boom in supersonic flight.", I see what you did there.

Bespoke means "custom made". The term hub and Spoke is the airline model.

I hate it all but DAMN BOEING is SO SMART!!! They really are at the lead of aviation and innovation!

Proud new subscriber and a fellow aviator, albeit on a much smaller scale. I love your videos, always interesting and informative. Have you ever flown the 787 and if so, how does it handle as opposed to similar types? Blue skies forever.

I don't know why that Emirates could afford to build their own aircraft, it's not like they don't have the money. Between Etihad, Gulf Air and Emirates, they could corner the market with their own product line. Instead of spending hundreds of million on each aircraft, our the money into building their own. They could then became a major player in the world of aeronautical engineering

RIP 380 !!

My recent flight with Emirates proves exactly what was said in this video...
On the flight from Europe to Dxb as well as connecting to SE Asia, the crew was exactly half short of personnel to offer the unique experience of flying with Emirates in 2015/2016. On the a380 about 60% of apps on ICE didn't work, no more welcoming warm towels and smiling crew members serving as much vine as you could drink.
What a shame that such a breathtaking and comfortable aircraft is buried so soon and unfortunately taking along one of the world's best airlines, that Emirates used to be.
Thanks for the video, keep up the great work!

Awesome!

The video title should have been: why the super jumbos have stalled. lol

Loved flying the 747 what a smooth flight - Sorry to see it go as a passenger vehicle

The A380 was advertising unprecedented comfort, and large seating, and private cabins. I thought are we really prepared to burn huge amounts of oil and money for this? Guess the answer is no.

As some who gets anxious being in the air the hub to spoke system will be my preferred. Rather fly 13hr and 7hr flights than a 20hr long haul flight

After watching this video I search for A380 and discover that it was just announced that they are ending production!

I'm sad to see the 747 go from passenger service, and feel so fortunate I got to fly on Lufthansa's 747-8. It really was an amazing experience. I see the cargo version flying for a long time, perhaps longer than the A380. The A380 just came too late, and since there is no cargo version, I don't see it having a very long life after production ends. Who knows, maybe Emirates may keep them in service for a while, since they have so darn many of them, but their current average aircraft ages is less than 75 months (6.25 years), and if they continue with that, well, that's the end of their a380's by 2030.

It's quite simple. The 747-8 and A380 were overkill and this was realized AFTER the fact meaning after production was completed and they went into service. Newer jets will now take their place being more cost effective in just about every way possible. Those 3 are the 777x, 787-10, & A350-1000. These 3 will be the MAJOR players when it comes too new jumbo commercial airliners. And that in and of itself is the main reason why the A380 and 747-8 will cease to exist very soon. In fact, the A380 will not be available for new orders as of 2021. And i suspect the 747-8 will follow the same path soon after.

Rewatching this after today's announcement to shut down the A380, your videos are great dear Mentour. Thank you so much !!

Blame is to mam who aboloshed ETOP for twin-jets

And it's official. Airbus cancels A380 production in 2021.

almost the same as DC10 or MD11, those wide body planes can still be seen but as cargo planes, I think that is very fenomenal

It’s worth it to have 747s & A380s for flights to Australia or Asia. I hate the slimline planes because I feel cramped. The 767 is great!

But don't Etihad, Quatar, Saudi and Turkish airlines have the exact same advantage as Emirates? Why haven't they ordered these planes then? And what about going back to the congestion problem due to the penny pinching? A good example is Ataturk airport in Turkey - which is just a few small aircrafts away from a complete swamping! These jumbo jets should be able to solve that!!

Great video, excellent work. Thank you for sharing.

no sweet little fuzzy-wuzzy poochie?

Were there not cheaper flights on the bigger planes?

It will come back for the same reason the smaller planes are used more now; population growth. As you said, airports are congested and that will only get worse. This is where the A380 comes back in the story and Boeing will be caught with their pants down.

Test....

The A380 will be missed. Sometimes the largest fall the hardest

Dear Mentour Pilot: You're very interesting, and informative. I'm enjoying your videos.

Whenever I fly between continents I am making choices of airlines and hours just to be on a A380. Interestingly enough, even comparing flights of the same airline for the same routs, A380 also proves to be the less expensive options. Flying London - Singapore in March on a A380 British Airways, can't wait! Love this majestic beast!

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one answer - ETOPS

The A380 is going to be a Super jumbo cargo plane.

When you take the time it takes to board the passengers and unload the luggages into consideration, A380 is not considered efficient. For a four engined aircraft to be sustainable, one of the criteria has to be met;
1. It has to fly at least 600 knots.
2. Fuel cost be reduced by 70%
3. Ticket price doubles

May I ask, how much tonnage in freight can a 737 carry versus a 747?

Do aircrafts fly a straight line always from point to point?
What is GREAT CIRCLE?

What do you think about the videos claiming fuel hoax in Airlines?

Orange. Must be a Braniff fan like all other discerning persons.

On my first flight on a 747 I thought we would never take off because it felt as if we were moving too slowly lol. I was all ready for an emergency evacuation. :D

Thank you for the good analysis but when you say airbus will not be able to recover from their 25 billions investment, i think they pretty much did. Each plane cost around 436 mil $ and they've sold 331 of them, it equal 144 billions so let say they made only 20% profit on each of those jumbo jets wich seems to me a very fair portion... 25 billions is already recovered. Don't you think?

Expose your OWN secretive and thorough pilot's knowledge - about the CHEMTRAIL program. Do it.
- But you won't. We're awake sorry, but save your breath pseudo clever dikky, it's your children too !
Research is always best.
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If the a380 is cancelled will the 747 make a comeback?

if these airlines stopped over charging when children are on holidays the planes would fill up more, also it does not help when they add taxes on for children that are at school and do not earn wages, they should get their act together.

You peasants could not afford air travel if they kept the 747.

Its a shame, the A380 & 747 is my favourite aircraft to fly in because seat pitch is always generous. The smaller aircraft, such as the 777, almost always have less room in economy. Just fly emirates 777 and A380 and compare, you will quickly avoid the 777 at all costs. I must admit the 787 is very good, most airlines give it generous seat pitch, but even here some airlines do not. The temptation to ram more people into a smaller aircraft is too powerful, while with the 747 and A380 there were limits to how congested they could become. I am uncertain why, but that is my experience.
But i have to agree with this video, there are a lot less big jet routes around. Although i still managed to get on a 747 to Bangkok and A380 from Seoul last month, but i make a serious effort to make sure the aircraft I fly is a big plane, i suspect most other passengers do not make this effort.

Travel must be banned...PERIOD!!!
It is not a necessity of life. But a killer/polluter of life

Vad tror du om Spacex och deras Starschip?
Hur kommer dagens flygbolag kunna klara sig då?
Det lär ju bli svårt att konkurrera mot Spacex när deras koncept är att flyga punkt till punkt på max en timme mot dagens ca 2-11timmars resor..

VERY informative. Thank you.

make a video on AN225

Wait untill PanAmerican comes back.

Hi Mentour!
I would like to know how to fly a DME arc with wind.
-VOR/DME
-NDB/DME
-DME alone
how can I do accurate corrections when I m out or in the DME path?
Thanks!

Man your content is interesting but do you really need every video to be 15-30 minutes? Perhaps if you shrink script and improve editing you could easily get it down to half the time

I flew from JFK to Honolulu, Hawaii on a 747 in the early 80s.

If it was up to me, I would have put the A380 flight deck on the upper level. That would give it a few more seats and allow for a nose that could open, as in the C-5 and 747.

A lot of great information... you explained the situation very well....thanks

Excellent video, very streamed lined reasoning without technical jargon.

The 747 and C-130 are the only four engine aircraft still built in the USA. Can anyone think of any others?

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Thanks Joe. Enlightening.

This video was brilliant! 🙂

747 will fly for a longtime at least for cargo. A380 is junk.

Just like 3 engine jets, there was enough demand for one, but for two, both would suffer. Boeing know there was no room for another giant like the A380, and wisely build something else.I think Airbus made a huge strategic error, they will feel that for decades to come, but they will survive, the governments would never let them go under, same with Boeing.Not just the plane, the engine maker RR is having a hard time too.

Good vid pal real information very informative I'll be happy to get you as a pilot oneday thanks

I find it a bit odd that some of us are badmouthing the midsized long haul planes over seating discomfort and lousy service. These are still very large planes compared with the jets of my youth, not to mention the propeller driven planes which were still numerous back then. This in my opinion is pure cussedness on the part of management. Any plane can be made more comfortable if the management chooses to treat us as people rather than like cattle or hogs bound for a slaughterhouse. If my budget is really tight I can put up with cramped seating for a few hours if the people running the operation are courteous, as the people at British Airways were back in 1996 when I went from Dulles to Heathrow and back in coach seating.

Thank you that was really informative. Where are you from ? I must tell you about my ghost flight with Air France from Paris to Tokyo just after the massive earthquake. The plane was absolutely empty apart from the crew, myself and my 11 year old daughter Emma. I asked the crew what was going on and they said they'd already downgraded the plane to a smaller one that day. We got to go into the cabin where the pilots showed us how they were flying the plane. Obviously this was an uneconomic flight and once in a lifetime one for my daughter and I. Wish I could remember the craft - I think it was an Airbus with 3 to 400 seats but definitely not the A380 you have featured in the video. Look forward to seeing your next video. Cheers from Wellington New Zealand.

I don't usually fly, and even then, it's usually the distance that a 737 or A320 takes care of... I did get the chance to enjoy an overseas flight on a Lufthansa owned 747 back in 1990, but I don't think I'd be missing too much nowadays, should I ever have to fly a distance via a 787 Dreamliner... Big jumbos are expensive to fly, maintain, and only make bank when fully booked and in the air...

My husband flies for FedEx (B777), and his opinion is very similar to yours, expect that in the freight business too the future seems to belong to twin engine giants such as the B777.

I spent 12 hours in a 787 Dreamliner. Never developed a headache like I usually do in the other planes on long hauls. I think the Board Members should all have to sit in the back of the plane in coach, so they can suffer with the common people. An extra hour loading/unloading, cramped beyond belief with people coughing and sneezing. Not fun!

The 747 was the result of an agreement between Bill Allen of Boeing, and Juan Trippe of PanAm. Unlike the DC-8, the 707 could not be stretched because of the landing gear design so Trippe called up Allen and told him he wanted a new plane and committed to 25 747s. As such, PanAm was the launch customer for the 747.

Not a pilot, only taken 6; flights in my life just fascinated by planes and this guy is amazing the way he describes things

Ticket sales.

I am very pleased to say that I will be flying from Manchester to Orlando with Virgin Atlantic on one of their remaining 8 747-400's.

Great analysis!!

I wonder if POTUS will ALWAYS have one (747)? Cost is not relevant. Only flew on a 747 once--first class. Best flight ever.

I think that a380 could be real economical plane if you would remove 1st dec and replace it with cargo space for continental routes so you would only have to sell ~350 seats and you could haul a lot of cargo

Great video! Thank you!

At some point, can you tell everyone why Seattle, Washington is called The Jet City?

I hate the 747... JAL123 is but one example. Too many things are wrong with it. Another example is UA232

Everybody needs to stop complaining about flying. You're sitting in a chair in the sky! And it's far cheaper than driving. The "inconvenience" of waiting in line and being a little cramped far outweighs having to drive or take a train. As such, stop your fucking bellyaching, you spoiled cunts!

Where are the dogs??

Detailed dissection and illustration on past, present, and future of traveling by air. After retirement, we've been flying lots more than before. Over the last 6 to 8 years, most airline meals are getting worse without sensible planning (e.g. chicken and lamb for dinner but most people go for chicken so none left for the last few rows. Don't they realize public preference? No research done. Shame on those big corporations. This never happened 20-30 years ago). Another big problem is toilet numbers. On big planes (747 days), waiting time was reasonable having numerous toilets, mid and aft for economy but now (777's) have reduced them to almost half. Twin big engines save fuel, cut food costs and reduce comfort.......I am doing more cruises now.....LOL

Thanks for a very illuminating talk about these large airliners.

Having flown to South Africa on BA very often on both the 747 and A380, they are always full on the LHR - JNB route. We are doing LHR - DUR direct next month on the 787, and from what I have read the space is no where near to A380 standards due to the cabin width.

I’m curious, did you just get off work when you filmed or did you put on your uniform to make the video?

Always comes down to.... politics &/or the upper class.

I was on of one of the early 20 + hour regular flights and I can tell you no aircraft makes that enjoyable. Maybe some day we will have economical SST. But it is not coming soon.

Can you do a best of Patchey kicking you while you try to explain things? My little one does the same, we call it "wiggles time" AKA give me attention now when you are busiest!

Did I miss something in the history of the 747. As I recall ...Boeing last the military transport contest to the Galaxy C5A....so they had to come up with another use for the design.....or...?....and I wrong/

Forgot to add fuel was way cheaper back then. 747 is my favorite plane but sadly for passenger aircraft, 2 engines planes are the future (jumbo size or not)

I think there should be unscheduled flights of the monsters that only fly when full. Many customers are not too concerned with schedules and, if they could save money by signing on for a flight that would leave 12 hours after notifying the passengers, the monsters could be full and profitable.

Great and a very informative video. How come the subject of ETOPS was not mentioned as a major factor in development and the use of twin engine aircrafts for Atlantic and Pacific crossings?

Three things, Firstly the modern jetliner is so much nosier than the Britannia was. Second, the US system does not allow point to point. Third I find only Delta to have good catering service and seat space on their 757's.

What do you use to edit your videos?

Boeing should make the “747-500”